Posted by The Hill-Man on October 19, 2009
As the somewhat annoying parent of two kids who play sports, I get it. You want your kids to do well; after all, there’s a lot on the line! We’re talking full-boat college scholarships worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, never mind the general interest we all have in our kids being successful. And how ’bout the millions in endorsement money that today’s pro athlete can bring home for their hard working parents? I often imagine that my son, Breese, after a big game in the NFL, will stand up in front of reporters and tell them he is buying his dad that golf course he’s always wanted.
But after the latest incident in Wilmington, I think it might be time to take myself (and every other parent) out of kids’ sports. During Friday night’s Pop Warner practice behind Wilmington Town Hall, a fight broke out. No, it wasn’t two overly aggressive kids fighting for a starting running back job. It was a parent and a coach. 48 year old Michael VonKahle dropped his 12 year old son off 10 minutes late for practice. The coach, William Reynolds, told the kid to start running. Mr. VonKahle said his boy shouldn’t have to pay because he got him there late. What happened next is in dispute, depending on who you ask. VonKahle made fun of the coach’s weight (I’m guessing he’s more like Wilfork than Welker), the coach shot back. The two headed off to “settle” the matter away from the kids and Mr. VonKahle showed up at the police station looking like the photo below. Police called an ambulance.
There is no excuse for either one of these guys. First off, the 12 year old kid was ten minutes late for POP WARNER PRACTICE! I hate to break it to these guys, but this is not the NFL, and these kids aren’t driving themselves around. You don’t punish a kid because his dad was ten minutes late getting him to practice. Your name is Bill Reynolds, not Bill Belichick. And you don’t make fun of a volunteer coach’s weight in front of the kids and then “take it outside” to settle the matter. And no one should end up in ambulance, headed to the hospital, over a Pop Warner Practice.
I am fortunate because my kids have, for the most part, always had great coaches. They care about them learning the sport, and sportsmanship, more than they care about winning. Don’t get me wrong-someone has to win, and I have no problem with that. But when you have parents and coaches brawling ‘cuz a 12 year old kid was ten minutes late for practice, you have an issue. The president of the league, Deb Smith, told the Boston Globe that they ”are here to set an example”. Fine example set by both individuals. They should both be forbidden from participating in any youth sport again. It’s supposed to be about the kids.


wasn’t there a parent who got charged for man-slaughter at a hockey game? kind re-dic if you ask me. i use to be a hockey goalie and nothing happened like that thou, maybe just dont allow drinking during a game
Comment by Mike — October 19, 2009 @ 4:58 pm
You’re right about the parents needing to get their hands off the kids’ sports. One of my kids is a Babe Ruth all-star who’s been playing since Little League, and some of the parents over the years have said and done some pretty dumb things. Fortunately, they’ve been the very tiny minority, as most folks really get the concept of sportsmanship and discipline.
This incident looks like a case of a parent sticking his nose in where he had no business. Hey, I played high school football. If we showed up 10 minutes late for practice, coach did not care why. We ran laps, and our folks just said “next time get ready 10 minutes earlier” — and THAT WAS THAT. No interference, no shouting, no coddling. You were late, you ran laps and that was the end of the matter.
Not so today. Now parents always try to get their kids out of everything. Doesn’t matter what the rules are, the parents try to wiggle and weasel and say whatever they need to say in order to get their kid excused. And here we are, with a coach and a parent brawling because people no longer have decent judgment to remember where the lines traditionally were drawn. The coach was wrong for “taking it outside” but the parent was fully in the wrong for opening his big mouth in the first place. So he shot his mouth off, the coach gave him a black eye, and the big-mouth goes running to the police.
Heh, I wonder who that guy voted for LMAO
Comment by Michael the Other Massachusetts Conservative — October 19, 2009 @ 5:07 pm
I live in Wilmington. This is from thier policy book:
“Starting from August 1st, a football player is allowed:
1. A total of four (4) unexcused absences for practices/game day. After 2 unexcused absences, you will be “spoken to”, after 3 unexcused absences, you will receive written notification; and after 4 unexcused absences you will be dismissed from the team
2. This includes vacation time, sick time, and any other time off for non Pop Warner related activities for the entire season.
3. Additional time off missed beyond the allowed limit will warrant your dismissal from the squad.
4. NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE.
5. Plan your vacation and “other” commitments accordingly; they should not conflict with games.”
So if you miss four practices, you are thrown off the team! Keep in mind also they have them practice three times a week.
Also, about two weeks ago a mother brought a case of Gatorade for the team, her son was on, for after a game. She was approached by board member(s) and was harrassed for providing it and was “never to do it again”! This was supposedly done because it “hurt” concession sales.
I think they have to look first into the people running the program, then evaluate coaches from there!!!
If you go tho thier website, I’m sure you’ll find other real nice rules:
http://www.wilmingtonpopwarner.com/
Comment by Dismal — October 20, 2009 @ 6:21 am
I have NO problem with a having a kid run who is late for practice…issuing a little discipline (and having the kid warm up before participating) is completely appropriate.
Shame on that father for passing off the importance of being at things on time…and while I don’t condone violence, this kid’s parent was WAY out of line undermining the coach in front of his kids AND the team. Just gets us closer to the inmates running the asylum…
Comment by Don Frye — October 20, 2009 @ 6:29 am
Greg, I may or may not agree completely with you on everything you say, but I definately agree 100% plus on the comment Leave The Parents Out Of Sports… I have been administering and coaching youth sports for about a decade and I have seen alot, had parents and coaches alike in my face… Come on folks NO ONE was RIGHT in the situation referenced above the Dad should have dealt with his differences in belief with a phone call to the other Dad, titled a coach, after practice. The coach needs to be held to a higher standard and should be banned from EVER coaching youth sports again, aside from any criminal action that hopefully will follow. I will again echo your words, which I have said for years, Get rid of the parents from youth sports and the fun will return to what ever the sport is, and 95% of the problems will go AWAY. PARENTS, you had your child hood, sorry if you screwed yours up or your parents did… don’t screw up you kids too.. SIT BACK and enjoy your kids ride it’s short enough as it is, don’t steal it from them!
Comment by Tim — October 20, 2009 @ 6:57 am
As usual, parents ruining what is supposed to be a kids sport.
I reffed a game this weekend where the coach was abusive to his players. And to think that parents think that this is OK and will make them stronger. Wrong answer.
Coach should be kicked out of the club and the parent should be banned from the sideline as well.
Comment by roadkill4u — October 20, 2009 @ 6:57 am
It’s a good thing his mom didn’t bring him!!!!
Comment by Chris — October 20, 2009 @ 7:19 am
Greg,
To combine the Wilmington story with your music trivia game: I heard you mention the kid trying to get to the game on his own and getting picked up by a diddler in a Chevy van. Remember a song from the 70’s with the lyric “gonna love you in my Chevy van and that’s all right…” ?
I heard Al Davis wants to talk to the coach….
Comment by Joe — October 20, 2009 @ 7:20 am
Hey when i was in high school in the last 90’s we could only play X amount of innings in a baseball game if we were playing for two different teams on the same day. As far as the coach kicking the dads ass well the kid should run for being late and the coach should be gone form sports or check into AA the rest of the team should of run for the playing being late to teach the kid to should up on time next time the player or dad will maybe car pool if they think they are going to be late. If your late you should have to take a lap not 11 make it real i don’t think that the father ever played a sport in his life ans thats why he reacted the way he did other would of understood why the kid had to run no big deal the kid is going to be in better shape.
Comment by nick — October 20, 2009 @ 7:23 am
By making excuses for his kid being late, he is teaching a lesson that you dont have to be responsible for your own actions. we are raisning a bunch of liberal pussies.
“its not my fault I am late”
“its not my fault I cant pay my mortgage”
“its not my fault my house got foreclosed on”
its never about personal responsibility anymore.
Comment by Rich — October 20, 2009 @ 7:28 am
Everybody has a cellphone these days. The coach at the beginning of the season puts out a letter to the kids and parents saying what the expectations are of the team. Put in the letter that if you feel the child will be late to practice or the game to call the coach and let them know. No call, the child runs. With the child knowing this it also helps teach them some responsibility and respect towards the team. The child thinks they will be late, they’re going to be ontop of the parent to call.
Comment by Joe — October 20, 2009 @ 7:29 am
Hill-Man — I think the kid should’ve run the laps. Had he been there on time he would’ve run approximately the same amount after he’d run the amount of laps requested. It’s jr. high school age, if the kid isn’t in class on time he gets detention, it’s discipline. Hill Man I usually agree with you on most points, but this time I’m with Spaz. Run the laps get the blood flowing. I’d rather have my kid with his blood pumping high and get hit hard as opposed to getting hit cold and get injured. Pretty much the kid has to warm up, running laps warms you up.
Comment by Jesse — October 20, 2009 @ 7:31 am
First the coach should take some consideration that the child should not be punoished because the father has bad parenting skills.
Second because this parent loses the fight he goes to the police, what up with that
Comment by Brian — October 20, 2009 @ 7:46 am
This tween made a commitment to be part of that team. He then should fulfill his commitment to his team and be there on time. The coach should have given all of his players his phone number so that his players or parents could call him IN ADVANCE and let him know if they are going to be late. I’m sure the parent has a cell phone. That way when he got to practice, the kid could’ve told the coach he left him a message to let him know he was going to be late.
If there was no message left, then run. It’s a lap people, not five miles. If you can’t handle the coach’s rules of playing the sport, don’t play. A 12 yr old belongs learning responsibility and discipline. You want to be part of a team, act like a part of a team.
And more importantly, where does LB get off talking about REAL LIFE? When has LB ever been held accountable for anything?!
Spaz you’re 100% right about this issue.
Comment by Tricia — October 20, 2009 @ 7:48 am
Punishing a young athlete with running is counter productive. Most if not all successful athletes have excellent speed, can run fast, and enjoy doing it. On the subject of life lessons, what is that athlete being taught when disiciplined with running? He or she will very quicky begin to associate running as a punishment and eventually will loose motivation to run which is not what any coach wants in a player in any sport.
Unfortunately the unprofessional volunteer coach handled it wrong which I think we all agree on. Just the embarassment of being late infront of his friends and team was probably worse than having to run a lap. A professional coach would have found a different way to get the message across that being late is unacceptable.
As for the parent, accept the fact that it was your fault for being late and be sure not to do it next time. Name calling and fighting is something for recess.
Comment by Antonio — October 20, 2009 @ 7:50 am
All my life my parents freaked out about being late to anything. Now I am an adult and I freak out because of how I was raised.It is very stressful to live that way.It causes fights with my husband ,he thinks I am Psycho or I have PMS. I have recently tried to be more relaxed about being late and it has helped my relationship enormously ! What is going to happen if I am late? Is the world going to end? Am I so important that the world will stop spinning if I am late?
As far as sports, I loved Softball in 6-8th grade because it was Fun. I dropped out of softball in High School because my coach was such a psycho about everything, it was not fun anymore.
Comment by Melissa — October 20, 2009 @ 7:51 am
It’s not about discipline more so that it is about warming up and stretching. (and maybe it wasn’t explained that way to Mr VonKahle) For the first 10-15 minutes of each practice all of the kids are running and getting warmed-up. What would have happened if little VonKahle got to practice, started running drills and tore a muscle? His father would have hit the roof that the kid wasn’t allowed to warm up.
This whole episode was handled wrong by both parties.
Comment by gPie3 — October 20, 2009 @ 7:52 am
Please ask LB when he was a Bantam in Hockey what would happen if he showed up to paractice late? I know for a fact he would be either doing push ups or laps. I bet his father would argee with it also and maybe throw in an extra back hander for love. (yes 12 year old play Bantam LB)
Comment by Tony Pereira — October 20, 2009 @ 7:52 am
Totally off the subject, but I didn’t get a chance to call this morning. We have had the H1N1 vaccine at my work for 2 weeks now in both the mist and injectable form. I work at a pediatricians in Brookline.
On the subject, there should never be fighting between parents at sports and I agree with making the kid run laps even if it’s the dad’s fault. I used to have to do it in youth hockey and it wasn’t a big deal. My dad used to have to screw home from work and I would be getting dressed in the car to get out on the ice on time.
Comment by sean — October 20, 2009 @ 10:13 am
Hill Man,the kid had to run laps in order to warm up but the amount was too many.As for your comment on the Charlton Dudley versus Nashoba the score was 12 to 0 then 18 to 0 on the last play.The reciever in the heat of the play forgot to step out of bounds before scoring.30 points is the mercy rule and it’s up to the defense to stop the scoring.
Comment by Bill — October 20, 2009 @ 11:37 am
TO MICHAEL (THE OTHER GULTLESS CONSERVATIVE)
“Hey imbecile, you’re the one who went on and on about what a wonderful system they have over there. You yapped and yapped about how our system sucks because we haven’t developed a test for ovarian cancer. Your point was that if we would only switch to that wonderful system, we’d all have much better care and people like your mom would not be dead from cancer because everything would be taken care of. I simply pointed out that they don’t have a test for it either. If you don’t like having your foolishness shot down, don’t post foolishness.”
HEY STUPID MORON, ALL I HAVE SAID ALL ALONG IS THAT OUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN AND PATHETIC AND NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. IF THE SYSTEM WE WIND UP USING CONTAINS ASPECTS OF EUROPE’S HEALTH CARE, THEN I DON’T GIVE A CRAP. ANYWAY, WHAT THE HELL EUROPE’S SYSTEM HAS TO DO WITH THERE BEING NO TEST FOR OVARIAN CANCER IS BEYOND ME, BUT THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ARE DEBATING WITH SOMEONE THAT IS A COMPLETE RETARD.
“Very good, genius. So you admit they do get care, and we’re already paying for it. Guess what, Matty? That means the claim that 47 million people are dying for lack of health care is a LIE.”
JERKOFF: YES THE 47 MILLION PEOPLE THAT DON’T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE DO GET CARE AT AN EMERGENCY ROOM, BUT THEY DON’T GET PREVENTIVE CARE, CHECKUPS AND VACCINES, WHICH COULD PREVENT SERIOUS AILMENTS DOWN THE ROAD. THEY ARE GOING TO THE ER WHEN THEIR CONDITION GETS VERY SERIOUS, AND IN SOME CASES IT SI TOO LATE. DOING WITHOUT PHYSICALS, CHECKUPS, ETC. IS DEADLY, IT JUST SOMETIMES TAKES A LONG TIME OT KILL THEM. DEATH BY A THOUSAND PAPER CUTS MIGHT TALE AWHILE TOO, BUT IS JUST AS DEADLY AS A SINGLE GASH. (THAT IS AN ANALOGY MORON).
“Right, so waiting hours is so much worse than waiting months which is what they have in countries with Socialized medicine. Don’t take my word for it. Take a drive up to the US border, say in NY State. Try the Adirondack Medical Center in Saranac Lake, NY, where every single weekend bus loads of Canadians roll down to get medical care here they can’t get in Canada at ANY price.”
YOU CAN’T PROVIDE VERIFIABLE PROOF THAT PEOPLE COME DOWN FROM CANADA FOR HEALTHCARE IN NY, SO I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO DIGNIFY THE ABLE WITH A RESPONSE. KEEP IN MIND, GUTLESS MIKEY IS THE ONE THAT ALSO CLAIMS THAT PEOPLE WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE GET “BRACES FOR FREE” FROM THEIR ORTHODONTIST (WHOSE DOOR YOUR ARE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO ENTER WITHOUT INSURANCE), SO THAT SHOULD GIVE EVERYONE AN IDEA OF THE TYPE OF RETARD WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE.
“Um no, genius. The overwhelming reasons for the cost overruns (estimated to be $1 billion dollars next year) are a) people who aren’t getting the insurance until they get sick, then they sign up (they can’t be refused) for some cheap health care and when they get better they drop the insurance again and b) the state grossly underestimated the costs involved.
But that should surprise no one. Hawaii implemented almost the same system a few years ago, and it went bankrupt after less than 2 years. Maine had a similar experience. So of course, now Obama wants to take those failures NATIONWIDE BABY! The bigger the failure the more Liberals are in love with it LMAO”
RETARD BOY: MASS HEALTH IS FUNDED THROUGH THE PENALTY IMPOSED ON BUSINESSES THAT DON’T PROVIDE THEIR EMPLOYEES WITH HEALTH INSURANCE. OF COURSE, MOST OF THE COMPANIES THAT WERE FOUND IN VIOLATION OF THIS RULE ARE STALLING AND GAMING THE SYSTEM BY HIDING BEHIND VARIOUS LOOPHOLES, SUCH AS CLAIMING THAT THEY ARE A “SMALL BUSINESS” WHEN THEY ARE NOT. IN THE MEANTIME, THERE CASES GO THROUGH ENDLESS APPEALS, AND MASS. HEALTH IS NOT FUNDED. WHAT THEY DO OR DON’T DO IN HAWAII (WHICH YOU CAN’T PROVE ANYWAY) IS STUPID AN IRRELEVANT.
Comment by Matt — October 20, 2009 @ 6:58 pm
YOU CAN’T PROVIDE VERIFIABLE PROOF THAT PEOPLE COME DOWN FROM CANADA FOR HEALTHCARE IN NY
Actually, anybody can, smartass. This is your increasingly desperate plot to shore up a lost argument. ANYBODY can get in their car and drive north on any weekend to see busloads of Canadians at American hospitals. ANYBODY can drive to Saranac Lake, NY (a few miles up rt 30 from Lake Placid for anyone interested in going) and go to the Adirondack Medical Center where they will find every single weekend there are chartered buses parked in the parking lot, with Canadian plates.
As for the mandatory MA health insurance, Matty, it’s NOT funded merely by taxing businesses additionally. It’s mainly funded by state subsidies, without which the system would be bankrupt in a minute. 2006, the first full year the new MA system was in operation, they had to bail it out to the tune of $150 million. This year the projection is 1 BILLION dollars. That’s just for MA. It’s many times over budget. This has also been tried in Hawaii — went bankrupt. It was tried in Maine — went bankrupt. This crap fails everywhere it’s tried. What part of this don’t you understand, genius?
Matty and Spaz are amazing because facts make no impression on them. Hand Matty a hard fact that anyone can verify in a minute and he dismisses it because he doesn’t want to change his views. He’d rather believe things that are demonstrably untrue before he’ll change his mind when better facts come along. That’s insanity. Spaz doesn’t care that there have been more than 20,000 separate incidents of terrorism involving Muslims just since 9/11. Doesn’t matter at all to him. Far as he’s concerned every Muslim on Earth could line up and declare themselves terrorists and Spaz would still insist there must be some Muslim somewhere who is moderate. Doesn’t matter at all that we have documented cases of supposedly safe Muslim prisoners who were released and immediately ran off to rejoin their terrorist brethren. Doesn’t matter at all to him that Muslims run outside to protest over a stupid cartoon, but when hundreds of innocent people are killed in the name of Islam, you can’t find a Muslim protesting THAT. No affect on Spaz or Matty whatsoever.
That’s because they clearly have DEEP mental disorders that prevent them from accepting reality when it conflicts with their preconceived ideas. When their dogma bumps into contradictory reality, they reject the REALITY instead of the dogma. They’re hardly alone in that defect. All Liberals suffer from the same illness. And these are the people currently running the entire federal government, who want to take over your health care. If you’re ready to let that happen, good luck to you. I’ll be over here with the sane people, opposing you every step of the way.
Comment by Michael the Other Massachusetts Conservative — October 21, 2009 @ 9:50 am
“Far as he’s concerned every Muslim on Earth could line up and declare themselves terrorists and Spaz would still insist there must be some Muslim somewhere who is moderate”
That sounds racist to me. Does that sound racist to anyone else?
There are over 1 Billion Muslims on Earth.
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Matty don’t even waste your time with this fool. In previous posts I proved that he has no idea what he is talking about.
I have provided facts and links and used many sources including Fox News, but he has his mind made up and no facts or evidence can change it.
He also does not believe in the concept of facts. The way I see it the facts are facts, and they don’t change. In his world facts are liberal or conservative and can change at any time depending on your arguemt.
For a great example of this check out his posting in “The Liberal Blitzer in Sheep’s Clothing” from October 21, 2009 @ 9:36 am. I provided him with raw facts, and he went off on some tangent that had nothing to do with the point at hand.
This guy must have been writing about himself when he wrote:
“That’s because they clearly have DEEP mental disorders that prevent them from accepting reality when it conflicts with their preconceived ideas. When their dogma bumps into contradictory reality, they reject the REALITY instead of the dogma.”
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I have to give him a little credit though. He used to write posts with “birther” comments in them. I searched the net for about 2 minutes and located an article from Fox News that proved the “birthers” were wrong. I posted a link to it and there have not been any “birther” comments lately.
Comment by Josh — October 21, 2009 @ 11:54 am
LOL, I guess sometimes, violence is acceptable. No one seems to be screaming over what kind of example this sets. The coach should have let it slide and the matter would not have ended in violence. If the ‘rules’ required dismissal, then it should have been handled in that way.
If I am late for work, I would hardly expect my boss to become violent. I might loss my job, but that would be it.
Personally, I would throw both in the County jail for a month. After that, they can file their respective lawsuits accordingly. Personally, PopWarner is going to eat this one in the courts. How to you explain repeated assaults to the face and claim you were “defending yourself”. If I am being “attacked”, I’m not going to be throwing punches to the face. I would prefer to “stun” and remove myself from the situation as quickly as possible.
Comment by PersonX — October 21, 2009 @ 1:05 pm
“I’ll be over here with the sane people, opposing you every step of the way.”
ya…..good luck with passing the sane test
Comment by Mike — October 21, 2009 @ 3:59 pm
TO MICHAEL(THE OTHER GUTLESS CONSERVATIVE):
“Actually, anybody can, smartass. This is your increasingly desperate plot to shore up a lost argument. ANYBODY can get in their car and drive north on any weekend to see busloads of Canadians at American hospitals. ANYBODY can drive to Saranac Lake, NY (a few miles up rt 30 from Lake Placid for anyone interested in going) and go to the Adirondack Medical Center where they will find every single weekend there are chartered buses parked in the parking lot, with Canadian plates.”
REALLY, ANYBODY CAN,DOES THAT INCLUDE YOU, YOU GUTLESS BIGOT? UNTIL YOU CAN SOW ME ACTUAL, UNMISTAKABLE, VERIFIABLE PROOF OF THIS, IT IS WHAT IT IS: COMPLETE BULL CRAP. YOUR TRACK RECORD SUCKS, MIKEY. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT MAKES STUPID CLAIMS ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING “BRACES FOR FREE”. YOU ARE ALSO THE ONE THAT TRIES TO INSULT EVERYONE’S INTELLIGENCE BY CLAIMING THAT “THERE ARE NOT 47 MILLION PEOPLE WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE”. JUST BECAUSE GLEN BECK, RUSH LIMBAUGH, YOUR BUDDIES AT YOUR ARIAN NATION MEETINGS, OR YOUR FELLOW “OATH KEEPERS”(OR ANYONE ELSE WHOSE WORD YOU ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO TAKE AS GOSPEL) SAY IT IS SO, DOES NOT MAKE IT THE TRUTH. IN FACT IS IS PROBABLY A LIE, LIKE MOST OF THE THINGS THAT YOU, AND THEY, SAY.
“As for the mandatory MA health insurance, Matty, it’s NOT funded merely by taxing businesses additionally. It’s mainly funded by state subsidies, without which the system would be bankrupt in a minute. 2006, the first full year the new MA system was in operation, they had to bail it out to the tune of $150 million. This year the projection is 1 BILLION dollars. That’s just for MA. It’s many times over budget. This has also been tried in Hawaii — went bankrupt. It was tried in Maine — went bankrupt. This crap fails everywhere it’s tried. What part of this don’t you understand, genius?”
MORON: MASS.HEALTH IS PRACTICALLY BANKRUPT, BECAUSE ITS MAIN FUNDING MECHANISM IS THE PENALTY IMPOSED ON BUSINESSES THAT DON’T PROVIDE COVERAGE TO THEIR EMPLOYEES. THE COMPANIES ARE CLIMBING THROUGH THE LOOPHOLES, APPEALING, AND MEANWHILE THE FUND THAT IS USED TO PROVIDE INSURANCE TO THOSE THAT DON’T HAVE COVERAGE (YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LOST THEIR JOB AND THEREFORE DON’T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE, THE ONES THAT YOU CLAIM ‘DON’T EXIST ‘), IS NEARLY DRIED UP. THIS IS PROOF POSITIVE THAT SIMPLY MAKING A MANDATE THAT PEOPLE GET HEALTH INSURANCE IS USELESS UNLESS MORE OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT GUTLESS MIKEY CLAIM “DON’T EXIST”. UNDERSTAND, JERKOFF?
“Matty and Spaz are amazing because facts make no impression on them. Hand Matty a hard fact that anyone can verify in a minute and he dismisses it because he doesn’t want to change his views. He’d rather believe things that are demonstrably untrue before he’ll change his mind when better facts come along. That’s insanity. Spaz doesn’t care that there have been more than 20,000 separate incidents of terrorism involving Muslims just since 9/11. Doesn’t matter at all to him. Far as he’s concerned every Muslim on Earth could line up and declare themselves terrorists and Spaz would still insist there must be some Muslim somewhere who is moderate. Doesn’t matter at all that we have documented cases of supposedly safe Muslim prisoners who were released and immediately ran off to rejoin their terrorist brethren. Doesn’t matter at all to him that Muslims run outside to protest over a stupid cartoon, but when hundreds of innocent people are killed in the name of Islam, you can’t find a Muslim protesting THAT. No affect on Spaz or Matty whatsoever. ”
FIRST OFF, YOU HAVE NOT HANDED ME ONE SINGLE “HARD FACT”. ALL YOU HAVE SHOWN ME IS YOUR TYPICAL RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA THAT YOU CAN’T PROVE ABOUT “PEOPLE TRAVELING FROM CANADA TO NY” TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR UTOPIAN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. YOU HAVE ALSO LIED THROUGH YOUR TEETH ABOUT PEOPLE “GETTING BRACES FOR FREE” EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL BE LAUGHED OUT OF ANY ORTHODONTIST’S OFFICE IF YOU TELL THE PERSON AT THE FRONT DESK THAT YOU DON’T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.
AS FOR YOU STUPID, RACIST CLAIM ABOUT MUSLIMS, THERE MUSLIMS THAT ARE MODERATE, AND ARENOT TERRORISTS, BUT YOU BEING THE BIGOT THAT YOU ARE, YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE THIS. ALSO, IF THERE HAVE BEEN “20,000 SEPARATE INCIDENTS OF TERRORISM INVOLVING MUSLIMS SINCE 9/11″,(WHICH IS BULLCRAP) THEN THAT IS ALL THE PROOF WE NEED THAT ALL THE CRAP WE WERE FED FOR EIGHT YEARS ABOUT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION’S POLICIES “KEEPING THE WORLD SAFE FROM TERRORISM” WERE LIES. ALSO, MIKEY AND HIS OTHER GUTLESS, RACIST, CONSERVATIVE PIGS NEVER MENTION THAT ONE OF THE WORST ACTS OF TERRORISM ON OUR SOIL WAS COMMITTED BY AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, TIMOTHY MCVEIGH.
Comment by Matt — October 21, 2009 @ 4:01 pm
That sounds racist to me. Does that sound racist to anyone else?
Does anyone else think it’s dishonest to claim that Muslims are a race? What race exactly do they comprise? Are these Liberals going to claim now that Arabs are a flippin’ race?? You gotta be kidding me. But as usual, why let reality get in the way of a good character assassination, right? BTW, Josh I noticed you didn’t refute any of the things I said. You just resorted to cheap theatrics and pissing in the wind.
Comment by Michael the Other Massachusetts Conservative — October 21, 2009 @ 6:00 pm
Allright then, it is the equivilent of anti-semitisim.
Comment by Josh — October 22, 2009 @ 7:04 am
“You just resorted to cheap theatrics and pissing in the wind.”
giving facts is cheap Josh, remember that O.o
Comment by Mike — October 22, 2009 @ 9:40 am
Michael is too funny. First he says Muslims are not a race, which is correct Islam is a religion and it’s members can be from any race. Then he says:
“Are these Liberals going to claim now that Arabs are a flippin’ race?? ”
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Actually Arabs are a race. He obviously does not understand the word.
I probably should not have used the word racist. I think I should have used bigot.
Bigot – one obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or religion. (Websters New College Dictionary)
Comment by Josh — October 22, 2009 @ 1:13 pm
TO MICHAEL (THE OTHER GUTLESS CONSERVATIVE):
“Does anyone else think it’s dishonest to claim that Muslims are a race? What race exactly do they comprise? Are these Liberals going to claim now that Arabs are a flippin’ race?? You gotta be kidding me. But as usual, why let reality get in the way of a good character assassination, right? BTW, Josh I noticed you didn’t refute any of the things I said. You just resorted to cheap theatrics and pissing in the wind.”
WOW, THE ABOVE QUOTE IS PROOF THAT IF YOU HANG AROUND LONG ENOUGH, YOU WILL SEE EVERYTHING. GUTLESS MIKEY IS CLAIMING SOMEONE ELSE IS TAKING PART IN “CHARACTER ASSASSINATION?” THIS IS THE GUY THAT CLAIMS THAT “OBAMA IS NOT AN AMERICAN CITIZEN”, BECAUSE HIS RIGHT WING EXTREMIST, COMMENTATOR HEROES TOLD HIM HE IS NOT. THIS BIGOT ALSO MAKES COMMENTS ON A DAILY BASIS
MIKEY IS ALSO THE ONE THAT CLAIMS THAT PEOPLE GET “BRACES FOR FREE”, AND GO TO “CHIROPRACTORS FOR FREE”. MIKEY IS ALSO IS DELUSIONAL ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE NOT 47 MILLION PEOPLE WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE, BECAUSE “THERE IS NOONE DYING IN THE STREETS”. I AM GLAD THAT THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE HERE THAT IS POINTING OUT HOW MUCH OF A MANIAC THAT MIKEY IS.
Comment by Matt — October 22, 2009 @ 3:16 pm
Actually Arabs are a race.
There you go, folks. Arabs comprise a separate race, according to Liberal Apologists like Osh Kosh B’Josh. Just like I’ve been saying all along, Liberals are obsessed with race. They try to turn everything into a racial issue when they can’t win an argument on the facts. When a Muslim staples a bomb to a 7-year old kid and blows him to bits, it’s RACIST to notice he’s a Muslim just like it’s racist to notice the skin color of a guy breaking into a house.
Here’s a good one for all the brainless Liberals. The cops find a dead woman, naked with obvious evidence of rape. In an effort to solve the crime, they start searching for suspects. Do they start looking for men AND women?? Or do they limit their search to men, until they have some reason to include women in the search? According to Liberal “thinking” the police trying to solve a rape-murder CANNOT search only for men. They must look at women, the elderly, quadriplegics, comatose patients, and everyone else because it’s not “fair” to focus on those most likely to be the culprits.
But isn’t it funny, when Feminists said “all men are potential rapists” nobody on the Left objected. I guess they only care about “fairness” when they’re sticking up for people trying to destroy the country.
Comment by Michael the Other Massachusetts Conservative — October 22, 2009 @ 3:38 pm
“20,000 SEPARATE INCIDENTS OF TERRORISM INVOLVING MUSLIMS SINCE 9/11″,(WHICH IS BULLCRAP) THEN THAT IS ALL THE PROOF WE NEED THAT ALL THE CRAP WE WERE FED FOR EIGHT YEARS ABOUT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION’S POLICIES “KEEPING THE WORLD SAFE FROM TERRORISM” WERE LIES.
Matty tries to argue simultaneously that a) Bush keeping America safe from terror was a lie AND b) there haven’t been any acts of terror since 9/11. Well which is it, Matty?
FWIW, don’t take my word for it on the figure. Go to actforamerica.org and jihadwatch and see for yourself. Of course, I know it’s a lot to expect for simpletons like Matty to think for themselves, but really now. It’s not that hard to realize there have been ZERO successful terror attacks in America since 9/11 and that the 20,000 attacks since 2001 occurred OUTSIDE America. Seriously Matty. You really needed to have that explained to you? Shame on you.
BTW, I noticed none of you panty-twisting posers volunteered to take one of those terrorists into your own homes, you hypocritical wingnuts. How about that youngster who was arrested in Sudbury. OBVIOUSLY he’s innocent, right Matty? Why aren’t you trying to break him out of prison or something, big guy? Or at least offering to raise money for his defense fund or something? Maybe Josh, Matty and Spazmodium should form a charitable organization dedicated to buying food and clothing for all these INNOCENT terrorists who got railed by the evil US military. Douchebags.
Comment by Michael the Other Massachusetts Conservative — October 22, 2009 @ 3:47 pm
“There you go, folks. Arabs comprise a separate race, according to Liberal Apologists like Osh Kosh B’Josh. Just like I’ve been saying all along, Liberals are obsessed with race. They try to turn everything into a racial issue when they can’t win an argument on the facts. When a Muslim staples a bomb to a 7-year old kid and blows him to bits, it’s RACIST to notice he’s a Muslim just like it’s racist to notice the skin color of a guy breaking into a house.”
Michael you are a total idiot. I conceded that “Muslim” is not a race, and I admitted that I should have used a different word. A Muslim could be white, black, hispanic, Native American, or any other race.
What race is somebody if they are from Egypt. Their nationality is Egyptian, and they come from Africa, but they are Arabs. What race is somebody from Yemen. What race is someone from Syria. Nationality is different from race.
You keep posting stuff that proves you are an idiot and liar.
You don’t know me or what I think or would do in any situation, yet you always write like you do. I suggest you stop.
Comment by Josh — October 23, 2009 @ 6:50 am
Both adults are to blame.
Sticks and stones can break my bones……is what the coach should
have told himself!
The dad should have let the coach know the reason for being late…
If the coach decides to still make him do laps, then he does laps!
Next time dad will make sure to leave a little earlier or get
a ride for his child!
The coach may have cut the laps in half if the dad just walked away!
Who knows!
Keith C
Comment by Keith Collins — October 23, 2009 @ 1:54 pm
TO MICHAEL (THE OTHER GUTLESS CONSERVATIVE):
“Matty tries to argue simultaneously that a) Bush keeping America safe from terror was a lie AND b) there haven’t been any acts of terror since 9/11. Well which is it, Matty?
FWIW, don’t take my word for it on the figure. Go to actforamerica.org and jihadwatch and see for yourself. Of course, I know it’s a lot to expect for simpletons like Matty to think for themselves, but really now. It’s not that hard to realize there have been ZERO successful terror attacks in America since 9/11 and that the 20,000 attacks since 2001 occurred OUTSIDE America. Seriously Matty. You really needed to have that explained to you? Shame on you.”
NO RETARD BOY, YOU ARE WRONG ONCE AGAIN. READ CAREFULLY MORON, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON’T KNOW HOW: IF THERE WERE “20,000 SEPERATE INCIDENTS OF TERRORISM INVOLVING MUSLIMS SINCE 9/11″ (WHICH IS BULLCRAP), THEN HOW DID BUSH’S POST 9/11 POLICIES KEEP THE WORLD FROM TERRORISM, THE WORLD, YOU BIGOT!!!! FURTHER, IF THOSE BANKRUPT, CRIMINAL POLICIES HAVE KEPT THE WORLD SAFE, THEN WHY, (FOR THE 99988899988899988899999TH TIME), DID SUCH THINGS AS THE MADRID ATTACKS, THE MUMBAI BOMBINGS, AND THE LONDON SUBWAY OCCUR. GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE SPEECHES THAT YOUR WAR CRIMINAL HERO GAVE, YOU RETARD. HE STATED THAT THE REASON WE WASTED ALL OF THAT MONEY AND RESOURCES, THE REASON BUSH GOT THOUSANDS OF SOLDIERS (AND COUNTLESS CIVILIANS) KILLED IS AN A BRUTAL, MISERABLE WAR BASED ON LIES, THE REASON BUSH AND CHENEY AUTHORIZED WARANTLESS WIRETAPPING, THE REASON THE CONSTITUTION WAS SUBVERTED, WAS TO (ALLEGEDLY) KEEP THE WORLD SAFE FROM TERRORISM!!!! EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO READ, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN:
THE PURPOSE OF BUSH’S POLICIES WAS TO (ALLEGEDLY) KEEP THE WORLD, THE WORLD!!! SAFE FROM TERRORISM!!!!!
SO ONCE AGAIN, I WILL ASK: IF THE WORLD WAS ALLEGEDLY KEPT SAFE FROM TERRORISM, THEN WHY DID THE ATTACKS I LISTED ABOVE HAPPEN??????
ALSO RETARD, I HATE TO SPOIL YOUR DELUSIONAL FANTASY, BUT THE MAIN REASON THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANOTHER MAJOR ATTACK ON OUR SOIL SINCE 9/11, IS BECAUSE THE NEXT ONE IS STILL IN THE PLANNING STAGES. IT TOOK 8 YEARS, (FROM THE TIME OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMBING IN 93), TO PLAN AND IMPLEMENT THE ATTACKS IN SEPTEMBER OF 2001. TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU, THAT IF TERRORISTS WANTED TO STRIKE AT MAJOR TARGETS AND CAUSE JUST AS MUCH DESTRUCTION AND MAYHEM AS THE DID ON 9/11, THEY COULD, BECAUSE MANY OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THE 9/11 COMMISSION HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWED UP ON, SUCH AS SECURITY INCREASES AT SUCH PLACES AS LNG FACILITIES. I KNOW BECAUSE UNTIL LAST YEAR, I LIVED NOT FA FROM A FACILITY, THAT PEOPLE WERE CAUGHT TRYING TO BREAK INTO.
“BTW, I noticed none of you panty-twisting posers volunteered to take one of those terrorists into your own homes, you hypocritical wingnuts. How about that youngster who was arrested in Sudbury. OBVIOUSLY he’s innocent, right Matty? Why aren’t you trying to break him out of prison or something, big guy? Or at least offering to raise money for his defense fund or something? Maybe Josh, Matty and Spazmodium should form a charitable organization dedicated to buying food and clothing for all these INNOCENT terrorists who got railed by the evil US military. Douchebags.”
I HAVE SAID ALL ALONG THAT THE GUY DESERVES TO HAVE A TRAIL, AND IF THERE IS EVEIDENCE TO SHOW THAT HE IS A TERRORIST, THEN LET’S SEE IT. IF YOU DON’T AHVE ANYTHING ON THE GUY, THEN LET HIM GO. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT “BREAKING SOMEONE OUT OF PRISON”, “CONTRIBUTING TO HIS DEFENSE FUND”, “PROVIDING CLOTHES, FOOD”, THEN YOU MUST BE DOING THE SAME FOR ALL OF THE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS WHOSE ACTIONS YOU ADVOCATE, SUCH AS THE ANIMALS THAT KILL ABORTION DOCTORS, MURDER CENSUS EMPLOYEES, AND WHO WANT TO BRING DOWN OBAMA’S PRESIDENCY BY QUESTION HIS CITIZENSHIP, LABELING HIM AN “AL QUEADA PLANT”, AMONG OTHER THINGS. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WANT TO RAM THEIR RIGHT WING EXTREMIST, CONSERVATIVE (ALLEGEDLY)AGENDA.
Comment by Matt — October 23, 2009 @ 8:00 pm
First of all parents should keep out of the sports their kids play. There are far to many parents trying to live through their kids. Secondly my son plays for Wilmington and it is standard practice if you are late for practice the kids run… not to punish the kids but because the first 15 minutes of practice is for warming up and lossening up so kids that miss that time run to get ready to go and not hurt themselves. The first day of practice the coach makes policies clear if you dont like the rules then have your kid play badmittin I hear they dont have to run. And finally if your gona run your mouth and make someone look bad in front of his team and 30 other parents when you get your ass handed to you go, home and suck it up. There is no crying in football!
Comment by john — November 4, 2009 @ 12:01 pm